Now a few comments about my approach and lessons learned from the Albert bourla conversation. Everything else is just a bonus that is freedom, that is happiness. I don't already have life itself is the fundamental gift. They can break my integrity, there's nothing in this world I need. one thing I can promise is there is no amount of money or fame that can buy my opinion or make me go against my principles, There's no amount of pressure. When I eventually talk to Vladimir Putin Barack Obama and other figures that have turned the tides of history I have and I will get called stupid, naive, weak and I will take these words with respect, humility and love and I will get better. I will get attacked when I host people like jay Bhattacharya or Francis Collins, Jamie Myrtle or Vincent recon yellow when I stand for my friend joe Rogan, when I host tech leaders like Mark Zuckerberg, Elon musk and others. It's hard and I choose the hard path I have learned over the past few months that this path involves me getting more and more attack from all sides. I don't think I can do this with a heart and mind that is not open, fragile and willing to empathize with all human beings, even those in the darkest corners of our world to attack is easy to understand. I want to understand why atrocities are committed by crowds that believe they're doing good all this ultimately because I want to understand how we can build a better world together to find hope for the future and to rediscover each time to the exploration of ideas just how beautiful this life is this, our human civilization in all of its full complexity, the forces of good and evil of war and peace of hate and love.

I want to understand how power money and fame changes people.

If this is not interesting to you, please skip ahead, what do I hope to do with this podcast? I want to understand human nature the best and the worst of it.

I wanted to talk to john in order to provide a countervailing perspective to the one expressed in my podcast episode with the Ceo of fight Sir Albert bourla And here please allow me to say a few additional words about this episode with the Pfizer's Ceo and in general about why I do these conversations and how I approach them. This conversation with john Abramson is a critical exploration of the pharmaceutical industry. The following is a conversation with john Abramson faculty at Harvard Medical School, a family physician for over two decades and author of the new book sickening about how big farmer broke american healthcare and how we can fix it.

John abramson big pharma